fuel...petrol methanol mix

anyone on here got any info on this?
kate and tim are using it with there evo, just wondered if theres any Rs that are running it too.
and wheres the best place to purchase the stuff as im thinking of trying it
kabooooom!

Yep we have been using some meth lol

We use a 20% mix with v power in tank , we have been seeing a increase in spool and power so far .
It's all been road mapped and logged so far so no graphs , should have some in around 2 weeks.

The logs show the boost 2.2 bar being reached at lower revs and a increase in flow low down , it made around 10% more power with our old turbo .

The car is 2.0 forged mild cams and headwork , a walbro in tank with a direct power feed and a Bosch 044 in line std fuel lines and 1000cc injectors.

We only use a small amount of meth mixed fuel then run in on std v power to clear the fuel system out , so it is a bit of a pain really.
Also you must read about it as it hard to store ( absorbs moisture) and it hard to handle , Tim uses elbow length chemical resistant gloves etc .
We keep ours in a garage which is well ventilated and away from any homes etc , check all this stuff out before getting it lol

It will also corrode std lines but it varies on who you talk to really ,

Should add most people on evos use 10-15% meth mix , but as bob knows Tim is power mad

''but tim is power mad''

lol yep i guessed that kate

i may try a 10% mix once my engines got a few miles under its belt.
wheres best place to get it from and whats the cost please as ive never bought any before

I think it's from jennychem , 25 litres is about £25 .

What ecu you using Bob , can you have 2 maps


Sorry didn't put it the it's post we have twin maps , one for std fuel and one for meth mix fuel as to much meth can run lean unless mapped for.

im using nistune at the moment which you can only use one map on so im told anyways.

tbh though kate i could easily get mapped with meth mix once the engines properly run in. its cheaper than petrol to buy lol think il just run it on full methanol lol (only kidding)

thanks for the info il do a bit more digging regarding the stuff

Im sure i saw a scooby running pure methanol at one of the jap shows once? He had done away with the fmic aswell.

gtirus wrote:im using nistune at the moment which you can only use one map on so im told anyways.

tbh though kate i could easily get mapped with meth mix once the engines properly run in. its cheaper than petrol to buy lol think il just run it on full methanol lol (only kidding)

thanks for the info il do a bit more digging regarding the stuff

It is cheaper but you need twice as much lol .

Tim looked at pure meth but we would need new lines , 1 possibly 2 more 044 , 2000cc injectors then you still have issues with starting and oil contamination etc

pulsar_stu wrote:Im sure i saw a scooby running pure methanol at one of the jap shows once? He had done away with the fmic aswell.

Think i was a little confused lol

its andy forrests car i was thinking of, but reading his blog page http://www.andyforrestperformance.co.uk/index2.html i cant see anything about methanol.
but it dosnt have a fmic or intercooler at all.

can you not just mix it with fuel in tank and run it through the stock injectors to mix?
or do you need a seperate injector wired in to the plenum?
forgive my ignorance but i know nothing about it at all

The meth is added into the petrol in the tank.

yep but are you running seperate injection into inlet for it kate or is it running through stock injectors?

they used to run petrol, toulene,meth and eth in the rally cars, it was 15% tou,10% meth and 5% eth , to run that mix you need a lubricant for the injectors (remember leaded petrol), thats how they used to run silly boost and get 300bhp but 450lbft .

gtirus wrote:yep but are you running seperate injection into inlet for it kate or is it running through stock injectors?

No sorry it all runs through the normal fuel system and injectors .

I was hoping to run the 100 octane Sunoco fuel this year as its legal in hill climbs but the funds arnt available at the moment especially since I have a big problem with a Merc Sprinter I have bought that might have a porous head....just hope this year gets better as its started crap....I also had my electric garage door fail on me friday so more dam money needed...such is life.

look for a american product called ceramicseal phil for the pourus sprinter head, it was recomended by rangerover for the pourous 4.6 v8 engines from the factory.......

is that the same as 'sealup' thats good stuff too which is american based.
i used it on a peugeot taxi with leaky core plug around 2 years ago thats still not leaking today.

hope your year picks up phil, mine started crap too if its any consolation, lifes a bitch sometimes

Thanks lads, is Irontite a simular tretment?
have used K-Seal and it did nothing at all.

yes it is, make sure to follow the instructions to a "T"

There's a lot of info about methanol on the aquamist site.Enough to put me off mixing it with water for my WI setup as its very toxic and I don't feel comfortable storing it(I have a little girl) or having it in a tank inside the ca due it being odourless and deadly :p.
I would imagine Andy F is using it to cool the charge rather than as a fuel if he's removed the i/c as when combined with water you get massive intercooling from the methanol quickly evaporating in the inlet pipes and when mixed with water you get in-cylinder cooling superior to either water/methanol alone.You have to map accordingly though and take it the fuel which you previously used for cooling, meaning a leaner mixture than is normal.
Some people also preinject it before the turbo which can actually push a turbo through waht it's compressor maps say it can do, letting you use a less laggy turbo to get the results you want.It can damage the compressor though over time.