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engine not starting

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1engine not starting Empty engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 11:20 am

joetheeskimo

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So i bought an second hand engine from Bob at GTI-R-US a few months back. its now finally all wired up and went to start it today, it wont start.

Can someone tell me the correct order for the HT leads to each cylinder. Can some tell me what is cyclinder 1 and cylinder 4.

I can see the crank rotating, also know there is fuel coming from the fuel filter.

Any tips would be great.

2engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 11:41 am

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Cyl 1 timing chain end cyl4 gearbox end

3engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 11:55 am

joetheeskimo

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yep thats what it thought, still doesnt seem to start.

4engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 12:09 pm

johnny gtir

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You got the plug for the gear box and other one the that's the same in right connections ? You got fuel ? You got spark ?

5engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 1:06 pm

Stu

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As johnny said. Check you havent got the two plugs mixed up.
Also check the brown square fuse in the fusebox that is in the engine bay passenger side.
Also check the small blue cable that plugs unto the red plug on the battery.


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6engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 1:32 pm

johnny gtir

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What's it doing and not doing ?

7engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 1:45 pm

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Battery okay? Injectors spraying correctly? All boost pipes tightened up (when my intercooler pipe popped off car wouldn't start) stock or z32 maf? If z32 has it been mapped for it? Checked distributor? Fresh fuel in tank (goes stagnated after sitting for a while) Ecu wired up properly? Sorry for the long list just trying to run some ideas for you to check Smile

8engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 2:43 pm

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And make sure you've got your fuel pipes right way around


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9engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 3:23 pm

joetheeskimo

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Hi Guys,

How can i tell about the plugs, what colour wires should go to the connector on the dizzy.


Thanks for your replies, really looking forward to starting it up. its been months since i drove the GTIR. will still be a few months but defintly a good start if it works fine.

10engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 4:44 pm

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pull the lead off one of the plugs and put a plug in the lead holding it against metal so it earths, when you crank the engine over you should see a spark flash across if not then the dizzy plug connector and reverse light plug are round the wrong way so swap them over and then she should fire up if everything else is all fitted ok


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11engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 4:57 pm

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Thanks bob i will try that, ive removed the charcoal canister so blocked off the tube from the air chamber at the back of the plenum, however i got this t-peice coming into the bay and not to sure what i should do with it.

Any ideas

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12engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 5:35 pm

joetheeskimo

joetheeskimo

Just checked wiring loom against gtir manual. It' all connected right now, think the reason the fan was running was due to water temperate not being connected.  
Just charging battery then time to try and start it



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13engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 7:40 pm

joetheeskimo

joetheeskimo

Ok tried again, it seemed to try and start was sounding like it was trying to start then did a big backfire, guess this due to amount of petrol been sprayed in.

Anyway the starter motor seems to make a really loud fast clicking noise know when tyring to start it, sounds like a machine gun and will turn motor over but very very slow. Measured battery voltage and its like 8V so just re-charging battery again. Maybe battery is on its way out. I will pull the battery out of my ford focus tomorrow and try it will that.

14engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 7:42 pm

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If starter click like crazy then it's not getting enough juice oh and make sure you've got your firing order right


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15engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 7:46 pm

joetheeskimo

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Gostek wrote:If starter click like crazy then it's not getting enough juice oh and make sure you've got your firing order right

I think firing order is correct, i have connected the distributor leads 1-4 to cyclinder 1-4 assuming cyclinder by drivers side / crank is 1, cylinder next to crank cyclinder is 2 and cylinder by gear box is 4

16engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 7:53 pm

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Firing order is 1 3 4 2 if I'm not mistaken I just don't remember which is no 1 on dizzi


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17engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 22nd August 2015, 10:05 pm

johnny gtir

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It's stamped on the dizzy how much stuff have you done ? Where is the dizzy set ?

18engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 8:06 am

joetheeskimo

joetheeskimo

johnny gtir wrote:It's stamped on the dizzy how much stuff have you done ? Where is the dizzy set ?

Tried charging battery over night but would only get to 11.5V, wouldnt go any higher. I assume this is the reason for the solenoid in the starter motor ticking very fast as it doesnt have enough power. Going to get a new battery.

All ive tried so far is taking pipe between fuel filter and fuel line off, pissed out fuel every where
THen got a multimeter and ensure GND was connected to block, head, gearbox, and any cabling i could see that had GND wires on.
Checked all wiring and belive it is all wired up ok,

Here is a picture of where the distributor is set. sorry not a great photo but its chucking it down with rain today.

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19engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 8:14 am

joetheeskimo

joetheeskimo

For my vacumm lines I've done the following

1 Bar loop
Waster gate actuator to MBC to inlet plenum
Stock boost sensor to Fuel pressure regulator to air chamber on back of inlet plenum (using T piece)
Dump Valve plumped to air chamber on back of inlet plenum
3rd hose that used to go charcoal canister on air chamber has been plugged

engine not starting Vacdiagram

When it dries out i need to check im getting spark.

20engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 10:10 am

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Tbh this what I'd start with check your basics spark and fuel (I thought you've done it by now lol), don't worry about vacuum lines as it still should fire, vacuum leak would cause crappy idle. Oh and good battery is a must but it'll newer have 12v when engine is not running if it goes down more than 8v on crank then it's shot

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21engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 11:54 am

joetheeskimo

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got it started, its now running.

Need to fit the oil and water temperature sensors but oil pressure was around the 3-4 mark on idle.

It was smoking blue when revved but i think this may be due to oil in the turbo and exhaust from when the last engine went pop. Hopefully that will burn off and smoke will be clear.

Feels great to have it started and running

22engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 11:56 am

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Good job mate!!! Glad you've got it running just check twice for any leaks...


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23engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 12:00 pm

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Good to hear the car is now running Smile
You might want to take the ic off and wash any of the oil out that was blown into it..


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24engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 12:02 pm

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What did you use to put that vacuum into the ic pipe from the turbo?
Im struggling to find something so i can take another feed off mine to the wastegate.


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25engine not starting Empty Re: engine not starting 23rd August 2015, 1:19 pm

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What rectified the problem then joe ? It's useful to know for future reference Smile

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