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400bhp++

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1400bhp++ Empty 400bhp++ 5th August 2014, 6:19 pm

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I have ordered the last parts I needed to finish putting my gt3071 turbo on, geting Horsham developments to do my Ecu as base map with my specs so I can drive it down to be tweaked, I wanna run high boost if I can and it's stable enough to run it as I have a forged engine, is there any sensors or anything anyone would advice that I need to upgrade because off the power or if I want to run higher boost

2400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 5th August 2014, 9:43 pm

gtir_woody

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What ecu and boost controller you running mate?. Have you also considered the spring size in your wastegate if using external?

3400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 5th August 2014, 11:27 pm

johnny gtir

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Not sensors. Make sure your fuel pump is good well earthed so no volt drop. (Direct feed) make sure all boost and vacume pipes are good and well tight clips or cable tied.make sure ignition system. Dizzy rotor plugs leads coil etc are good working order

You running afr gauge ?

4400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 1:18 am

Gaz GTiR

Gaz GTiR

As Johnny says & are you running a Z32 maf?

5400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 6:39 am

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I'm using internal wastgate as far a a I know, got nistune type 3 Ecu and some apex I boost controller I think not sure one that to be honest just know it's a clear case one, yeah Johnny all off those are ok, will check them to be sure though, got an upgraded fuel pump I will have a look at earth point, yeah z32 afm and 700cc sensor injectors

6400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 7:25 am

Gl3nnGTIR

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Should reach 400 @ 1.6 bar if its a .86 AR. Mine made 350 @ a tad under 1.2

7400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 7:30 am

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It's a .63

8400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 12:08 pm

johnny gtir

johnny gtir
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What power you hoping for ? .63 great spool port the wastgate. Dont the 63 suffer from surge or boost creep. Plenty people use them tho so no big problem

9400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 1:49 pm

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Was hoping for 400+ as it was 306 at 1 bar with standard afm injectors and standard turbo got dyno printout to prove, so should easily hope for over 400bhp

10400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 4:47 pm

johnny gtir

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with that size do they flow 400plus mate ?

11400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 4:55 pm

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yeah it will make 400+ even with the smaller housing at around 1.6-7 bar


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12400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 6:07 pm

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I had a smaller housing on a gt3076 a while ago on 1 of my old pulsars and It spooled seriously quick. I have a 3071 and I think it's the bigger exhaust housing but if I could of I would of had the smaller.
I made 380 on dyno dynamics rollers at 1.3 bar and I had a huge boost leak! So 400 is easy peasy mate. Jez @ h-dev did mine, just waiting to get back there and should be close to 500 with more boost

13400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 6:19 pm

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Good to know, yeah jez at Horsham is gonna be doing my one, I will get it all sorted and dyno run and then will let everyone know what it run at, what would I have to do to get it to 500bhp?

14400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 6:51 pm

gtir_pimp

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Depends on the spec of your car as to how much power he can get from it. Ask him for advice. I doubt I will get 500 as most people will go for a bigger turbo to get that power. If you have a forged engine upgraded camshafts will help plus I have water injection to help but it's mainly down to the turbo and person mapping it. 400 is still very fast in an old Datsun!

Plus over 400 you might need a better clutch and gearbo and starts getting expensive.
Lucky for me I bought the car with everything done to take big bhp at a lot less money than it would have cost to build.
Just needed the ecu mapped

15400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 7:01 pm

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The engine is forged I have got an uprated clutch 6 paddle I think, yeah I know gearbox would definatly be a problem, what turbo would I need, to push it to 500bhp

16400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 7:29 pm

johnny gtir

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whats your plans for the car? 500 is extreme for road use and to much for track in my opinion

17400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 7:44 pm

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Why to much for track?? And just wanting to make it a really nice fast car and push it as far as I can with money I have, not many pulsars over 400bhp let alone 500bhp

18400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 8:41 pm

gtir_pimp

gtir_pimp

I'm sure the 3076 will do it. I had 476 @ 1.6 bar from that with a nistune. A second hand quaife box will cost you about 2k and up.

Have you owned many high powered cars before?

19400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 9:40 pm

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Precision 6262 will take you to over 500bhp easily
(Keep an eye on my build thread with the rasheen in projects section) mine will probably make over 600bhp but tbh Bho is just a figure it's how the car drives and puts the power down what really counts.

I've been in many 400+ Bhp cars that have crap drivability and would easily be beaten by a 300bhp car that's been set up well.

Don't get caught up in Bhp figures as it means jack shit in real life on the track.
And tbh with you the gtir is not built to go fast .........and I mean very fast round a circuit as all the weight is over the front axle and that generates massive understeer, you can reduce that by making adjustments here and there but the more power you run the more understeer you will see and that's coupled by people that remove everything weight wise from rear of the car as that just lightens the rear which generates even more understeer

That's why with my project il be leaving all weight in the rear and if anything add to it to try make the car much better balanced, once you've achieved balance then up the power

Look at the gtr 35 that's a prime example, heavy car at 1700 kg but extremely well balanced which allows you to put the power down that it has and whoop even full on track prepped race cars

Power is nothing unless it can be delivered subtly and the car is set up to handle such power
Plus to run 500+ Bho which would mean probably equal torque you'll need to run a straight cut dog gear set and unless you've 10k plus floating around then I wouldn't bother or you'll be constantly getting a quaife rebuilt as only semi helical cut gears and I've broke 3 of them in last 10 years and all are 3rd gears stripped and that's under 500 ponies

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20400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 6th August 2014, 11:05 pm

johnny gtir

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In my lesser words. Smaller tracks you dont need 500 as its un useable and coming out of corners etc big turbo has lag and dont spool untill higher revs but dont want to be reving hard to red line. Bigger tracks like silverstone i use as my example the gtir is not areo dynamic enough nor as mentioned the best handling car so your 500 bhp will look nothing as you can not carry the speed through the corners and many super cars will be passing like your standing still. Carbon ceramic brakes etc would be my choice with big power but you need deep pockets. I have seen bob in mid 300 bhp cars put alot to shame and my mate dan had 300 ish was leaving alsorts its down to driver and useable power etc

21400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 7th August 2014, 7:35 am

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Ok I understand what you mean, I will just stick to what I am doing atm then, as I know I will have to quaife my gearbox in the near distant future depending on how well it takes the power, what can I do to my car to make it handle better, poly bush the whole car? This is my first high powered car pimp, drove a couple fast cars and got on with them well, but thought I would do my own and get used to it then try a track day

22400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 7th August 2014, 9:46 am

FPSChris

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I looked into 500ish + Deane. Money pit unless you have super skills as a mechanic to do it all yourself + parts cost quadrupled my new goal of around 400 give or take.
As said, usable power and balance is best. I agree 100% + you'll have more fun not worrying about slight noises.

Best thing to do is lighten the front end, remove stuff that is not needed and lighten things that can't be removed such as air filters(some cheap ones weigh double a decent one), air con (remove), fmic (cheap are heavy), cast metalwork (replace with custom parts), battery (boot), get a fast road/racing flywheel(revs much quicker due to less weight but also decreases engine braking), suspension (lighten), wheels(lighten), seats, trim etc... and so on most of these are cheap and easy to do yourself which I've done or am doing.

As for polybush, I'm doing the whole car.
1, it stiffens everything up
2, longer wear time as opposed to stock
Be prepared for a shock on the price front if you do it all and expect a large chunk of your wages to disappear.
You could get away with doing the obvious though round the hubs and arb's - Cheap enough

You can also do cool mods like an IC spray, for trick results use a temp sensor on the switch Very Happy costs peanuts to DIY.

Anyone who's had a very fast car will tell you, fun but you've always got that feeling of uh-ohh
My first fast car cost around £22,000 from buying the car for 4500 to adding bits, mapping etc... on hindsight I went too extreme and it cost a fortune to run, barely did 100 miles to a tank if driven fast, brakes squeeked if not used for a day, drove like shit at low speeds in stop go traffic, needed oil changes, additives, new brakes all the freakin time and my left leg was like a hulk leg when I sold it due to heavy clutch + I barely had any money to have a nice life. I was eating pasta and tuna for dinner and tea, eating at friends houses etc... as I spent all my money on running the car. Sold it for half what I paid >.<
Wish I'd just stuck with 350-400 ish and focused on stripping it, chucking a nice bose system and handling - would likely still have it now.

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23400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 7th August 2014, 11:19 am

gtir_pimp

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A pulsar at 330bhp will still do a quater mile in 12 seconds and get you to 165mph and more believe me I know ( on a private air field officer!)

If you want great handling for track use buy an evo or Subaru.

Mine is set up for fun so it doesn't under steer it just tries to kill you as the back end steps out so easy.

Where do you live mate? As maybe someone near you could take you out for a drive with different set up cars so you can get a good idea of what you want

24400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 7th August 2014, 12:01 pm

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25400bhp++ Empty Re: 400bhp++ 7th August 2014, 4:38 pm

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Chris, all off that makes sense I'm gonna have to look In to it more,
Wow pimp they seriously that quick, is that what they all do top end?
Pimp I live in Braintree in Essex, nomad what off that list would I need ?

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