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Gearbox, clutch or diff issue!

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1Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 10:39 am

Hardy172cup

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I have a problem with one of the following and I'm wondering if you guys can help me diagnose what my issue is from the symptoms.

My gearbox or clutch as been making a bit of nose for some time now. I've been aware of the noise for some time now but I have just been ignoring it hoping that it doesn't get worse but with all geese things if you leave them they get a lot worse!

Here's the symptoms.

When I take my foot off the clutch pedal there is a really nasty spinning grindy noise that sounds like nackered bearings turning. Of o put my foot and on the pedel it goes away. Now the odd part is if I sit in neutral and press the clutch pedal down a few times the noise disappears but as soon as I press and depress the clutch again the noise is back. The noise is also present when driving in gear and sounds awful.

Now my guess was when me and Darren did my clutch fork maybe the clutch moved out of alignment and has gone back in on the piss or we damaged the bearings in the box when doing it.

Last night something dodgy happened that makes me think more along the lines or a clutch issue, I went to pull off and there was a bang and the car didn't go anywere so I quickly pressed the clutch back in, I attemyed to pull of again and it did the same! I was only round the corner from home so I though I'll just try and drive and see what happens and the third time it just pulled off normal so I took it home.

It's obviously a drive related issue. I.e clutch, box or diff, I would just like to here your lots opinion on what's a miss?
Either way it's going to be gearbox off time, oh the joys Laughing

2Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 10:54 am

nomad

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I would of said if the noise goes away when you depress the pedal i would say release bearing ..... when you hear a bang did it pop out of gear ????


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3Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 10:58 am

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No it didn't, it was odd. I was actually reversing and put it in first and was still creeping back a little as I went to pull off, I felt the clutch bite witch held the car from moving back but then it just felt aa though the clutch had just let go and there was nothing so my reaction was to put my foot back on the clutch asap before I end up with bits of gearbox on the floor Laughing I

4Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 11:16 am

Hardy172cup

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And the notice does way when you press and depress the pedal a few times. Screw it I'll try and make a video if I can upload it

5Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 11:26 am

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So did it sound like the banging was coming from the front or rear ????


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6Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 11:29 am

Hardy172cup

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Well I can't upload a video on an iPhone lol!

7Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 11:30 am

Hardy172cup

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I'm deaf in one ear nomad so I can't tell where noise is coming from but I'd say the front if I had to guess

8Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 11:36 am

Hardy172cup

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Can anyone tell me how to upload a video to YouTube ans then onto here on with an iPhone lol it's embaracing but I can't use iPhones to save my life, I hate them! lol

9Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 12:19 pm

Mr B

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Iphones are junk unless u jailbreak them ...
On to your problem, generally cluctch release bearing will meke bearing noise when you press clutch in as that when bearing under load & spinning.
With clutch out bearing should be clear of clutch but if touching clutch cover they could make some noise.
Your fault sounds more likely gearbox - diff from your comments (especially bearing noise) but could also be clutch issues .
Worth jacking up front and inspect diff, also look at clutch best u can & with darrens special service hole you should see quite a bit i expect :-)

10Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 12:23 pm

Hardy172cup

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I'm going to have a good look at it later or tomorrow, I imagine I can get a good gander through Darren's hole Laughing it would help to show you the video I have done, I can make the noise go away by pressing the clutch a few times. Every time I press and depress the pedal the noise comes back different, sometimes it goes away all together

11Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 12:24 pm

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I have uploaded it on one of the Facebook sites and a few people think it's the release bearing. Tbh I haven't got a clue, in just guessing what it could be. Just don't want to fit a clutch and release bearing to find it's the box lol

12Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 12:58 pm

Mr B

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Well release bearing/clutch will be cheaper & easier so lets hope it is.
Your comment on be able get noise change through pressing clutch few time sounds likely of release bearing/clutch issues.

You sorted your ignition key ok ?

one problem after the other for you :-/



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13Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 1:01 pm

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Go to youtube from your phone click on tab choose upload then it will come up with folders to search on your phone find it click on it and it will upload ..... and totaly agree iphones are shit .....


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14Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 1:14 pm

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Figured out how to do it but now it just says could not publish video! I give up lol basically i think it needs going to somebody who knows what they are doing to charge a small fortune to diagnose it and put it right lol I'm not attempting it myself because I know I can't do it lol

15Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 1:38 pm

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could also be your clutch driveplate springs making the noise, if they are badly worn or broken then the centre part of clutch will be loose which could lead to the plate fracturing and you will then lose all drive.
this could have been damaged when refitting the box as ive seen people leave the box hanging on the splines of the centre plate which puts enormous stress on the springs and plate itself.

the gtir has no spigot on input shaft from box (this would normally locate in crankshaft) so for that reason alone its vital when doing a box change that the box is not left hanging on the spline if it is then it will for sure damage a driveplate and lead to the centres snapping clean out, but people often blame it on the clutch quality when im sure in some cases its because its had nigh on 60kg hanging on its thin centreplate lol.

you wont really know what it is until you pull the box off and examine all the clutch components and if all appears good then theres no doubt a problem within the box itself


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16Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 1:53 pm

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I think you have hit the nail on the head bob! When me and Darren did the fork we tried not to leave to box hanging but with all the wiggling about we had to do to pull the box off and get it back on it ended up taking it's weight off the jack and was left hanging at some points without us realising. What you have just suggested sounds like exactly what had happened to me

17Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 2:10 pm

Mr B

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Get round mr darrens & man up & get box out :-)
you got any other club members in your area who clued up on mechanical work ?
Garage gets costly with labour.

18Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 3:20 pm

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I wouldn't mind having a look for you pal? Your not far from me and all though I'm no mechanic I rekon by listening and having a look I could figure out what the problem could be? With having clutch issues recently myself and having the box off etc on my own car I have a reasonable idea, what I'm looking at/for?

19Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 4:21 pm

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That would be good if you could have a listen Pete but I can't really drive to meet you because I don't know how far it's going to go before it gives up completely.

I don't like asking Darren because tbh I feel a bit cheaky because I know he had his bad shoulder and I'm useless with my bad arm plus I don't really have a clue. It's just a lot to ask of somebody and I wouldn't want him to think I'm taking the piss. He has done a lot for me as it is

20Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 5:07 pm

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Pm me bill if you want my number, I'll be available Saturday mid day as I'm working nights currently, I think you are only in Mansfield aren't you? If you want me to come and have a look I'll pop over and see if I can help you? Kettle best be on mind thumbsup

21Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 5:22 pm

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Awesome Pete and yes I live literally 2 mins from Darren. I'll PM you now mate

22Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 10th February 2015, 6:31 pm

Bones

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Can't see it being bent shaft as if I recall jack was under the box all the time box was pulled out and even then it was only separated about three quarters of an inch so no real load, and I'm no mechanic but having it separated that small amount I wouldn't think anything could be out of line really. I'm going for release bearing or pressure plate. He's about 2 mins from my house pete

23Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 11th February 2015, 1:32 pm

Hardy172cup

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For some reason I can't pm Pete

I'm thinking the same as you Darren, I'm guessing it's a clutch issue, I still need to peer through your hole to see if I can see anything Laughing I'm still preparing for the worst though as you never know.

I'm guessing the release bearing was under a lot of stress when the fork went because I could still press the clutch but it was bloody difficult to press and I bet that's probably damaged the release bearing

24Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 11th February 2015, 6:31 pm

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I can make a bigger hole if you want Bill lol. But as we said at the time ( why go to all the trouble of taking engine out as it's probably going to be out sooner or later anyway)

25Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! Empty Re: Gearbox, clutch or diff issue! 11th February 2015, 7:26 pm

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You can send pm's now bill Wink


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