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Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel

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1Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 10:39 pm

Bones

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I'm not the best at these things but was wondering, if a lot of power/energy is lost through gears and diffs etc would a 300 hp 4x4 be faster if you disconnected the prop or whatever folk do to make Rs 2 wheel drive? May be a stupid question but who better to ask it and it keeps the site busy lol

2Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 10:59 pm

johnny gtir

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Alot faster with 2wd the loss is alot less. I would love the audi conversion with the haldex controller to swap between 2 n 4wd

One of my future purchases is carbon prop dont make massive difference but every little helps



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3Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 10:59 pm

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Cant remember how much transmission power loss it is but its quite high iirc ...you could pop the front drive shaft out and give it a go Wink


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4Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:01 pm

johnny gtir

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40% ish some say 25 but mine was alot more and it had all fluids changed etc but runs uprated box

5Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:03 pm

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Do you get less with an oe box compared to a qauife then ???


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6Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:07 pm

Bones

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What would happen if you just removed prop?

7Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:08 pm

gtir_woody

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Interesting read

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/modp-1005-drivetrain-power-loss/

8Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:09 pm

Bones

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And rear drive shafts. May not have been as stupid a question afterall

9Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 2nd November 2014, 11:16 pm

johnny gtir

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nomad wrote:Do you get less with an oe box compared to a qauife then ???
i think so due to the cut on gears more so again on straight cut. I no expert on this subject

10Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 3rd November 2014, 6:50 am

Andy Sunny Gti

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It really depends on what you mean by faster.
A 4x4 300bhp Gtir will beat a fwd Gtir off the line, but if you do a rolling start it will possibly be the fwd Gtir that will edge in front due to less transmission losses.
We will know for sure once my project is completed.

Had a fwd Gtir turbo back in 2007 running 307bhp and beat a mate of mine running a 4x4 300bhp Gtir from second gear rolling start.

11Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 3rd November 2014, 7:33 am

gtir_woody

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There does seem to be alot of variables to consider especially comparing 2 separate cars.

12Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 3rd November 2014, 9:02 pm

Bones

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Doesn't seem to be much difference. Not enough to loose 4 wheel drive anyway

13Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 5th November 2014, 9:37 am

Hardy172cup

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The weight difference is also a big factor, all those exta drive shafts and diffs for 4wd weigh a fahookin tonne lol!

14Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 5th November 2014, 7:32 pm

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Your not wrong there bill i wonder how much in total wieght all the 4wd stuff is ...


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15Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 5th November 2014, 9:02 pm

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well
n14 gti curb weight 1110kg
vs rnn14 gtir curb weight 1220kg

just to give a ball park.. say around 110kg for transfer, prop shaft, rear diff, subframe, axles, extra bracing/metal

16Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 5th November 2014, 9:06 pm

gtir_woody

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I reckon that would sound about right?

17Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel Empty Re: Two wheel drive vs 4 wheel 6th November 2014, 9:31 am

Hardy172cup

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Obviously the main difference would be the handling and I'm sorry to say it but as much as I live 4wd is actually a disadvantage in most circumstances, yes you've got a lot more grip but that only comes in handy when your launching or getting the power down hard coming out of a tight bend.

4wd is only good if your off road or in poor conditions, in every other way 2wd is technically faster and handles better.
Having said that converting a gtir to RWD might be a bit Leary lol and fwd would spin like feck if you tried launch it hard

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